Without compensation????
Nonsense - he was offered $2 million years ago and rejected it

It has nothing to do with Howards signing of Kyoto in 1997 - it has everything to do with a mentally disturbed, financially incompetent person with family problems being exploiuted by dodgy politicians

I totally support Mr Spencers efforts and congratulate Senator Joyce for his support. Mr Spencers concerns highlite jusy one of many issues facing the "family operated/small farms" farming community. Water rights are also an ongoing issue and should be included as a broader perspective of this critical debate. Most farmers have already lost control of their freehold catchment and holding rights over their properties. Another lock up of an environmental asset. Standover and bullying legislative doctrine has (through time) claimed ownership over the water that falls on their freehold land and therefore seroiusly diminishes their rights/capability to survive and conduct a small business enterprise, mostly their sole source of income. These issues also need to be addressed inclusive with the vegetation issues; for the long term economic and cultural survival of the farming community.
Thank you - Ted Easton - Finniss River, Northern Territory.

Jannie:

Perhaps you need to pay more attention to what really goes on the world.

The aboriginal peoples have been effectively locked out of Cape York under the Wild Rivers Program. I'm glad to say this has had recent media attention and hopefully will be overturned quite soon.

The government is trying to play Big Brother across a very wide spectrum of issues, including environmental and social security portfolios.

Do you want to live in a communist country, where no one (including you) has any real rights?

I trust you have not read the Copenhagen Accord. I suggest you get cracking before dishing up any more insults!

I am glad he is down and OK-but this was never just aboutr Peter Spencer, despite the media doing their best to smear him and portray him as a nutter
with familly problems.

This is really about whether the Constitution can be ridden over by the Government - can land ownership be ignored ! can we be reduced to serfdom at the whim of the Government, because essentially thats what they have done.
Do the people have any recourse as to their rights as legal owners to use their land as they see fit?

Lorikeet
Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:59 AM


In fairness , perhaps English is your second language & you could not understand what I wrote. It was about the way dodgy politicians are exploiting Spencers obvious personal problems for political milage

I was not talking about climate change or actions of the Queensland government (in collusion with the LNP incidentally)

Perhaps an english teacher at a nearby high school could explain it to you

Tony Abbott & Barnaby Joyce are being manipulated by atheists, drug addicts and sodomites!!!


I saw some comments about Ian Plimer & Monckton so decided to check myself - Plimer is a radical atheist & hates Christians – he has been shown to be incompetent (see http://creation.com/ian-plimers-bloopers-a-selection) and dishonestly anti Christian – see http://creationwiki.org/Ian_Plimer “In 1994, Plimer published Telling Lies for God. In this book Plimer employs straw-man arguments, innuendo, guilt by association, and outright false accusations to malign creationists in general and C.S.F. in particular. ” Plimer lost a string of lawsuits including defamation actions after defaming decent honest Christians
- and our country is founded on Christian values.

Plimer is getting ExxonMobil money to bring Monckton to Australia - Monckton is a liar – he lied about being a Lord , he lied about being a Nobel Laureate, he lied about being a scientific advisor to Thatcher. He called for building concentration camps to imprison all AIDS suffers for life (read it in his outrageous book - "The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS," – I have a loved relative who got AIDS from a blood transfusion : Moncktons stormtroopers would arrest her & lock her up for life, just like the Nazis)


And then look at the biggest supporters of Monckton in the press – look up yourself (I cant print their names obviously) and you will find an aggressive serial homosexual, a cocaine abuser and a vile hypocrite who lectures us on morals but has been sacked from many jobs for sexual harassment and physical abuse of female staff

Why is this alliance of atheists , frauds, drug abusers, perverts & sodomites trying to take over the policy and thinking of the Liberal & National Party? Why are Tony Abbott & Barnaby Joyce falling for this?

So glad to hear Peter is ok and down from his platform.
We are with you Barnaby in your support for Peter in coming days and inform the rest of Australia just what has been "dished out" to farmers and landholders over the past years.
City people wont know that in some coastal farming areas,landowners cant even clean out or construct new drainage furrows (I dont mean mini creeks) on their own property for essential maintenance and water management.
This is the same as a city dweller digging up his backyard to construct a vegetable garden !!
We can do it......but farmers cant!!....WHY..??.
Govn wants the people off the land, eg take the east coast.
Ask any Kiwi why they are abandoning...sheep farming and buying into dairy in droves??
Milk for Australian families in the near future will be flown across the Tasman.
Dairy has literally gone....other farming and landowner practises is heading
in the same direction.
Were certainly achieving a lot with "locked up forest areas"...
No maintenance in way of fire trails, fences or controlled backburning ...
One lightening strike,or fire nutter and up she all goes ..along with all the Carbon Credits saving...great achievment !!!
Commonsense ???? whats that!!
Im sick of seeing "total idiots",controlling and constructing rules and regulations for the people on the land...when they havent got a clue what they are doing !!!!
Maybe they should get their bums out into the rural areas,ask advise from the "first environmentalists"...and stop taking notice of computer modelling and useless theory books.
When we were schooled we were taught "What is good in theory ..doesnt always work out in practice"
Lorikeet..comments to Jannie
Couldnt agree with you more !!

Thank you to Peter Spencer and Barnaby for alerting us as to what has been happening..along with most people I had been in blissful ignorance..
The Government wants us to stop putting our investigative noses into what has been happening with native vegatation and carbon sinks ect and all the Green Socialist balony about carbon. The more nosey we get, the worse it all smells. The excuse for a land grab by the control freak Socialists.
I wonder how long it will take for the farmers to pack up and
give up. Welcome to the world of imported everything edible-

We cannot disadvantage one group in our commumity without it eventually affecting us all. Do not think that that what has happened to landholders
in the bush cannot happen to us all in some way - rights and freedoms get eroded gradually if we allow it, the Constituition works for everyone or it doesnt work at all.

Lorikeet, news flash: Australia isn't the WORLD.

And can I just point out you made absolutely no sense what so ever. Jannie was pointing out that Mr. Spencer is mentally disturbed, and dodgy politicians such as our lemon here jumped on a bandwagon, ignoring his state of mind. She did not mention anything about Cape York, or the Aboriginal people. I suggest you try again. Before we turn communist of course *play scary music here*.

There is one vital point missed in relation to the validity of a National Government, and it underpins virtually every free constitutional concept, especially the British, American and Australian...

The point missed, is whether a so-called "government" that from its inception seeks to protect an "international" agenda, as opposed to the base-tenet of a national sovereignty, is ACTUALLY contravening not only the sovereign constitution of a nation, but is actually a foreign occupying and/or a treasonable "entity" and an usurping and illegitimate "entity".

From inception, the Rudd "government" has had nothing else in mind than an "international" agenda, and this being a complete breach of ALL constitutional sovereignty, denotes illegitimacy of power and influence, and may indeed be termed "treasonable".

As regards the legitimacy of a government based upon a sovereign national constitution, it must protect ALL demographic aspects of a nation, including, and especially, its farming backbone. But Kevin didn't have time on his hols' to visit Peter Spencer did he?

There may be room for Liberal AND National "repentance", but a party solely built on an internationalist platform, whether "labour" or "green" or any fence-sitter in between, carries dubious legitimacy, if any at all.

Time for the Nationals and Liberals to come clean on these UN agendas, time to repel any and all treaties that do not work in the favor of ALL Australians. Time to put Australia and Australians first.

Barnaby - Abbott needs to do more, much more to show he will not be another globalist dictator like Rudd. So far he has not. Property rights, farming, manufacturing and environmental issues are Australia's own to decide upon - NOT for the UN to dictate. Is Abbot another globalist?

Barnaby, when will all this madness end?
Perhaps when our farmers are paid off not to produce local food so it can all be shipped in (genetically modified and full of chemicals) from SE Asia?
Who runs our country?

Jennifer:

If the government passes the Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme in the parliament and signs the Copenhagen Treaty, we can kiss goodbye to any rights that we might have once had.

When Labor reintroduces the CPRS (emissions trading scheme) in the parliament in February, you will need to lobby every federal politician in your State to ensure they all get the message that we have no interest in global communism.

We are already experiencing high taxation on power, water and fuel, all of which are expected to increase astronomically.

If you've switched on to a television show called "Carbon Cops", you will know that a man was told to get rid of his little bar fridge. The Climate Police expect us to have one fridge/freezer per household, regardless of the number of people, impound the car in the garage, and never even THINK of putting on a clothes dryer.

In the future, you will probably be forced to get rid of the plasma TV because it's too power hungry, and switch to a low energy air conditioner, which will be imported from Asia, like every other type of white goods you could name.

Peter has and continues to fight the good fight. I pray that there will be justice for him and other farmers out there in similar circumstances. Watching him come down from the tower today was a good thing, to loose his life would be a tragedy, however this should not be the end only the beginning. I am a cynic at heart unfortunately due to the way I have seen people treated but to see this man fight so hard and to be dismissed by our politians truely breaks my heart. My father once said that life isn't fair, but does it have to be this unfair and cruel, I think not. I hope Senator Joyce continues to fight for this cause as it is one worth fighting for and one that depending on the outcome will greatly effect the next election Australians have had enough.

It's not about the greedy government trying to steal farmers land. After all, how could locking up and protecting land possibly benefit the government? Land which isn't directly being farmed isn't producing taxable income, or export sales. Ultimately it costs the government money.

What it is about is trying to protect fragile and highly important ecosystems, the few remaining areas of undisturbed vegetation left in this country. These areas are not chosen randomly to inconvenience the land owners, they are chosen because generally they are areas that have never been cultivated, areas which support rare and endangered plants and animals. Areas which we cannot afford to lose for short term financial gains.

Incidentally farmers are compensated quite well for the land they protect.

Could they make more money by draining their wetlands, clearing their old growth forest, and ploughing their native grassland?... No doubt, but then we would all be losing just a little bit more of a precious (and ever shrinking resource) which can never be replaced.

Do we as a people want to continue on with talking this problem to death or do we as a people want to take the required action to put this right. We can as a people do something and NOW is the time to stop talking and take action. It is of no use relying on present Politicians to fix something they created, no matter how well intentioned these politicians may be. The Politicians who wish to do anything MUST show their courage by abandoning their Political parties and becoming part of a WE THE PEOPLE movement. We can learn a lot from the USA citizens on this as they have begun to take the required action. Here are just two examples below of what they have done.

http://www.cc2009.us/

BECAUSE:

1. The Constitution cannot defend itself and it is not a menu.

2. CC 2009 is a National Assembly of citizens from the states of the Union and the District of Columbia.

3. The purpose of CC 2009 is to legally end certain violations of the federal Constitution.

4. CC 2009 is the appropriate next step in a 14-year process by the free People to hold their STATE AND FEDERAL elected officials accountable to the federal Constitution.

5. The free People have exhausted their administrative and judicial remedies.

6. The free People wish now to exhaust their constitutional remedies, as guaranteed by the Declaration of Independence and the Accountability Clause of the First Amendment.

7. The Delegates wish to focus on Facts, avoiding Opinions.

8. The Delegates wish to focus on violations of the Constitution, avoiding political questions.

9. When the People are up against unjust and uncivil government and laws and they are entitled to reform they will achieve it if they are pro-active, non-violent and have a mass-movement.

10. These grass-roots proceedings are NOT a Constitutional Convention, which the Delegates are wholeheartedly against as such a Convention would only serve to limit our unalienable rights. The terms are easily confused, especially because it's been 225 years since "We The People" have had to convene a Continental Congress.

http://goooh.com/Home.aspx

We can do iot but NOW is the time to do it with an election coming up this year. Send the message in the election.

Watch this slide show. It is a hge wake up call as to what is going on in Queensland and coming soon to other states. Barnaby you cannot remain silent on this, please give us some explanation.

http://www.abpac-australia.com/assets/qldgovstoledemocracy.pps

Eugene,

Its obvious that you have been fed the "great propaganda sell of the Greens".
Govns do make money from locked up areas (carbon credits)..and has nothing to do with protecting any ecosystem...as i said previously "one lightening strike and up she goes" along with thousands of BURNT animals, birds and vegetation !
Eugene its all about $$$$$$$$$ dressed up in environmental clothing!!!! especially to appeal to gullible people like you.
Want to hear the truth? Get yourself out into the country ..and seek out the generations of people who have lived there for 30+yrs....forget the "tree change" variety....most last 10yrs then head back to the cities....too hard a "yakka"!!
By the way,rural people should have the same opportunities to make a living
as we that live in the cities have....why do they have to make the sacrifice?
Rural people have had "the blood sucked out of them" over the past 10yrs...this being increased cost of goods, equipment,etc,etc, then rules, regulations and decreased prices for their produce....Why are they still living there you ask??
Its a "way of life", a question that only country people can answer...

Loriceet,

If they manage to ram through the CPRS in February then Australia is toast.

With the help of the Greens, it can happen-
( saw a T shirt advertised the other day,)

GREEN is the NEW RED..
yes!

Well said Barnaby.

Abbott is a socialist who wants to continue middle class welfare , just like Howard. Tell that offensive little man where to get off


Joyce at loggerheads with colleagues
January 14, 2010


NATIONALS Senate leader Barnaby Joyce has again upset colleagues, with the Government seizing on his latest controversial comments.

Treasure Wayne Swan said the Coalition was divided on economic policy, after Senator Joyce, the finance spokesman, told The Age the Coalition should have an open mind on Government legislation to means-test the health insurance rebate. This contradicted the position of Tony Abbott.

Mr Abbott yesterday slapped down Senator Joyce's view. ''Politicians should be open-minded in a general sense, but it is a very strong position of the Coalition that we don't support the Government's proposal to means-test the private health insurance rebate. This proposal was a flagrant breach of an election promise,'' he said.

Re Peter Spencer.
It would seem that the Government is exploiting a legal loophole, whereby
the Commonwealth must pay for compulsory aquisition of land, but the States do not- I am no legal person but thats what it looks like to me.
There is a discourse about the laws here..

http://www.australianclimatemadness.com/?p=2762

Now that dodgy hypocrite , Abbott, is happy to sell more of Australia to the Chinese :

http://nqr.farmonline.com.au/news/state/agribusiness-and-general/political/abbott-and-joyce-at-odds-on-chinas-interest-in-csr/1725013.aspx

Stand up for our rights Mr Joyce - take us out of the coalition with the communist Liberal Party

We are all thankful that Peter that came down before this became a complete personal tragedy to fuel the media and political circus. Whatever his beliefs about the state vegetation laws and 'property rights' at least he has his family and that's more important than any bank balance or other material gain. I hope he appreciates that.

Much is made of 'property rights' and it seems too many bush lawyers are offering uninformed opinions that pander to a particular mindset. Even a first year law student understands how the federal Constitution works and the notion of state's sovereign rights. These state laws came in whilst we had a Federal Lib-Nat government and that was the time that we would have seen federal intervention if it was ever going to happen.

Abbott's grandstanding at the moment re Qld's Wild Rivers is nothing more than a distraction that really only encourages Pearson and Major and continues the lies they spread to bolster their own political agenda. It's not going to assist the Opposition to get onto the other side of the Parliament and will play into Labor's hands. No wonder Rudd is so quiet at the moment, he doesn't have to say anything.

To "Jannie":-
By your own comments you have identified yourself as a VICIOUS, UNCARING AND SELFISH individual.
You are also obviously IGNORANT of the facts.
You need to do some more in depth homework on the issues involved prior to making such illinformed comments.

To "margaret hamilton" if that is even your real name (maybe scio??)

Tone down your OFFENSIVE and LUDCRIOUS ACCUSATIONS!

"Tony Abbott & Barnaby Joyce are being manipulated by atheists, drug addicts and sodomites!!!"

Are you for real? You only sound SILLY saying things like this.

What is your basis for such OUTRAGEOUS statements.

Give us some FACTS to prove this.

Is it simply that you have your nikkers in a twist because this blog is not a LEFTIST LOVEIN?
Maybe the truth about the global warming HOAX makes you uncomfortable and you realize that YOU have been CONNED.

Do YOU support the DESPICABLE way that Peter Spencer and other farmers have been treated in the name of this new global warming RELIGION?
Would YOU prefer that he simply went away and DIED?

We loved your other comment "Why is the Daily Mail telling lies about global cooling" that gave us a good LAUGH.
Haven't you seen the news lately or have you been living in one of those caves that these CARBON COMMUNISTS want us all to reside in (in the dark - can't burn timber can we....carbon dioxide!)
Have a look at this:-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/8447023.stm

The United Kingdom is experiencing the COLDEST WINTER ON RECORD WITH RECORD SNOWFALLS.

It is the same story in the United States with RECORD COLD WEATHER:-

The frigid hit parade – over 1200 new cold and snow records set in the last week in the USA, more in progress

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/06/the-frigid-hit-parade-over-1200-new-cold-and-snow-records-set-in-the-last-week-in-the-usa-more-in-progress/

Read this web site for the REAL FACTS about the Earth's climate:-

http://climatedepot.com/


ARE YOU SURE YOU ARE NOT A MEMBER OF THE FABIAN SOCIETY?

To the poster Eugene:-
Your comment "Incidentally farmers are compensated quite well for the land they protect." is LAUGHABLE!
Have you actually done any reading about the background of the SHAMEFUL INJUSTICES perpetrated by government on Australian farmers.
Let’s take Peter Spencer's case.
He purchased his property for around 9 MILLION DOLLARS with the intention of clearing a section of it to grow grass for sheep in order to make a living.
Subsequent to this these vegetation clearing laws were enacted which prevented him from cutting down ANY trees. Goodbye to that venture.
His land was declared a carbon sink to help the government satisfy this treasonous United Nations Kyoto treaty.
He has tried trout ponds and tourism, each time being thwarted by treasonous government legislation. He is responsible for all the expenses eg mortgage, rates, tax but has no rights to be able to derive an income from his OWN property.
He has been fighting this injustice for 10 years.
He has had 200 court appearances without any satisfaction.
Eventually begrudging the government offered the sum of 2 million dollars to him.
Similar things have happened to many many Australian farmers.
Many have simply given up and committed suicide.
Peter Spencer made a stand for his and other landowners DESPICABLE UNJUST treatment.
I ASK YOU, WHAT WOULD YOU DO AND HOW FAR WOULD YOU BE PREPARED TO GO IN ORDER TO GET SOME JUSTICE?

So you think that this is an example of a landholder being compensated "QUITE WELL" do you?

From reading some of the posts here is is clear that there are some postings by WATERMELONS.

You know GREEN ON THE OUTSIDE, RED INSIDE.

I am constrained to wonder about what Blog comments actually achieve.

I blogged in Barnaby's November petition to stop the obscenely expensive and completely futile ETS.to be enacted at Copenhagen.Thank God for Tony Abbott's and Barnaby Joyce's firm stand that convinced the Senate not to pass the Bill.

I tried to read every one of the hundred or so blog comments in Barnaby's petition( and in other blog sites (eg Judy Marhosey)) about ETS, Climate Change, rising sea levels etc and found that there was a vast body of highly informed people who are desperate to see a scientific outcome to the GW "debate", and to put a stop to the Fabian/Club of Rome driven drivel of ETS, and the only way to vent their frustrations is to make comments in blog., as I have done. .

Last years Federal election landslide almost provided Kevin Rudd and the Labour party the golden opportunity to subjugate Australia to the dictates of a World Authority. What were the electors thinking? Did any of them take the time to read anything on the GW topic, eg some of the very fine Blogs in Barnaby' site?or was Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth" the only word that permiated to the masses?

I have to say that many of my personal acquaintences are completely indifferent to the science of Climatology, and GW, and have hardly spared a thought to what ETS really means. The main thrust of their concerns is that we must save the polar bears and stop the Beijing smog

Sad to relate, we also have a biased and hostile mass media who seem hell bent on preventing any counter science reaching the public...eg Late Line's Tony Jones when he effectively strangled Martin Dirkin's "Great Global Warming Swindle",even before it was aired. I wonder if Tony Jones would be prepared to apply the same zeal on Al Gore for the many lies,extrapolations, and cherry picked data in his film.And what about convening a Kangaroo Court to try Mike Mann and Phil Jones for the manipulation of critical data that was about to be used to bankrupt the developed nations?.

So what happens to the comments? Do they linger in the memory banks of a thousand computers only to be deleted when the next blog batch is due?

Per separate letters, I have attempted to contact Barnaby Joyce and LNP candidates Teresa Gambaro and Dean Teasdale with a view to assist in the formatiion of a a Scientific Association... a body comprised of Scientists, Engineers, Climatologists and Accountants...independent of any Government body (eg CSIRO). I envisage that the association would convene to examine exactly what problems (if any) Climate Change may bring.Action Committees would attend to the promulgation of regular bulletins, Press releases, TV clips, all to counter the endless Al Gore driven diatribe that seem to receive very little opposition.

Personally, if rising sea levels were to become a problem (and I truly doubt it ) I'd prefer to see the construction of levee banks and dykes in preference to ETS.

If I have any success with the Scientific Association, I'll provide an update in the next blog.
P S. I am a retired Analytical Chemist once specializing in the analysis of CO2 on behalf of the International Standards Organization and also the Australian Standards Association. I actually had the opportunity of reviewing some of Dr. Ernst Beck's historic CO2 data.

SUBJECT: EXCELLENT ARTICLE REFUTING GLOBAL WARMING

Hi,
Here is a very enlightening article which refutes this global warming rubbish:-

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100022226/agw-i-refute-it-thus-central-england-temperatures-1659-to-2009/

Cheers

Francis Wilson

WOW - so intolerant of free speech. Screaming COMMUNIST is your substitute for intelligent comment.

"His land was declared a carbon sink to help the government satisfy this treasonous United Nations Kyoto treaty." - so now you are blaming that notorious communist John Howard (who signed Kyoto in 1997 , two years after Mr Spencer troubles began)

I think Spencer has been treated very badly by the parasitic politicians trying to use his misfortune for their own political purposes.

Perhaps if you tried to understand Spencers plight (he is obviously mentally quite troubled & has severe family & financial problems) you would have some constructive sympathy rather than sounding like a paranoid demented banshee

PS Get your mother to explain to you how the CapsLock button works

SUBJECT: PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF QUEENSLAND

Hi all,
If you read this particular speech from Kevin Rudd from 20/4/2009 at the Adelaide Jobs Forum, he mentions in the last paragraph that he comes from "the People’s Republic of Queensland".
To me that sounds very OMINOUS indeed!
When was this particular REPUBLIC created I wonder?
Here is the link to the particular speech on the Prime Minister's website:-

http://www.pm.gov.au/node/5219

SUBJECT: United Nations' IPCC blunder on glaciers exposed

THE peak UN body on climate change (IPCC) has been dealt another humiliating blow to its credibility after it was revealed a central claim of one of its benchmark reports - that most of the Himalayan glaciers would melt by 2035 because of global warming - was based on a "speculative" claim by an obscure Indian scientist.

READ MORE HERE:-

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/united-nations-blunder-on-glaciers-exposed/story-e6frg6n6-1225820614171

Wow, This "Margaret Hamilton " is a charming piece of work!
What a WATERMELON!

What does an Australian farmer have to do to make the news?

What has The Australian got against a destitute farmer? Compare their coverage of one farmers protest with other hunger strikers:

* When a sex offender protesting his innocence went on a hunger strike, it only took 6 days for The Australian to write about it.
* Taiwan’s former president went on a hunger strike which was reported as it ended after 5 days.
* Serial killer Ivan Milat only had to wait a couple of days to make the Australian with a hunger strike that only lasted for five days all up, and its conclusion was noteworthy too.*
* When three Australian Tamils went on a hunger strike they made headlines after 3 days, and also here.
* Some Sri Lankan asylum seekers agreed to end their hunger strike after 2 days and the story was covered sympathetically.

This is not to detract from the seriousness of some of the above claimants. But compare the reportage about Peter Spencer who started his hunger strike on November 23, 2009. For 25 days there was not even a short note to alert other farmers or landholders that there was a hunger strike underway by an Australian citizen, on Australian soil.

It was Day 26, before he got a mention in The Australian, just as a sideline

Where is the balance?

In the end, it was apparently “worthy” to note that a convicted serial killer had stopped a hunger strike after 5 days, but a law-abiding farmer, protesting against the government laws that had contributed towards the loss of his life savings (and which potentially affect hundreds of other farmers) wasn’t considered newsworthy until Day 42. And then most of the reporting was the repetition from one of Spencer’s brothers about the debt he owes the family, or a dark one-off event from 40 years ago. Peter Spencer’s claim for compensation for all farmers has still not been investigated by The Australian.

When more than 200 asylum seekers went on a hunger strike that lasted just two days The Australian reported quoted them saying they would be “willing to die”, even though in the same article it reported that they had already given up their hunger strike after just two days. The reason given by the spokesman for the Tamils was that

“There are already 100,000 Tamil civilians who have died in the war in our country, and we don’t want to add to that number unnecessarily, so that’s why we ended the strike.”‘

(Possibly they could have thought of that before they started). But The Australian interpreted the end of the brief hunger strike as “an indication of how much their case is being held up as a beacon by the international Tamil Community”.

Giving asylum seekers the benefit of the doubt, and bending over backwards to put a good spin on it is one thing, but The Australian appears to go out of it’s way not to report the case of an Australian facing ruin, feeling suicidal and asking for a fair go. Spencer has had it tough within our legal system, even a justice decreed his case was unconscionable. There are many stories of other farmers with sorry tales to tell on the internet, but instead of trying to verify whether this is a systematic failure of our legislation, The Australian seeks out views from those who oppose Spencer.

Even if you are a man who picks up hitchhikers and stabs them to death in lonely woodlands you don’t have to try as hard as an honest farmer to get your grievances aired in our National Newspaper.

Could it be that The Australian cares more for our carbon emissions, than they do about the lives of our farmers? Do the editors feel that somehow the country is better off if we don’t look too closely at any of the drawbacks of legislation aimed to reduce our carbon output?
The Australian’s coverage:

* Day 26: Spencer finally gets a mention in The Australian, just as a sideline, in a story that was really about Barnaby Joyce. The paper reported on the labor effort to ridicule Barnaby for backing “a hunger striker” and suggesting the government should pay $100 billion. (It’s notable that the Labor Party did not protest the legality, or that the land was effectively “expropriated”, but they protested because $100 billion was a big claim. In a legal case, surely justice is decided on the merits of the case, not by the cost of the claim.)
* Day 44: after a protest by over 300 people at Parliament House The Australian interviewed and headlined… Bill Heffernan–a man who helped create the legislation that is part of what Spencer is protesting about, and who claimed Spencer was no longer of sound mind.
* Day 46: Spencer finally got a front page headline, but the news was not about his case but about how he owed money to his family and about an incident with a gun 40 years ago. I wrote about the attempt to smear him: Investigative Journalists work hard to … protext the government from the people.
* Day 48: The Australian put in more articles, a repeat of the debt information from the day before, along with an anonymous letter allegedly from Peter Spencers family, but unsigned. It’s repeated in full on the Australians site. Another commentary was about Spencer’s work in Papua New Guinea before he took up farming. It was interesting, but hardly a high priority compared to all the other angles that need to be said. It’s hard not to feel sorry for the family being caught up in this toxic legislative mix, but remember that if it is from the family, they probably want their money back, which might complicate their perspective. The Australian will publish anonymous letters “from the family”, but not named ones from Spencers neighbour, or other supporters, or legal experts.

Which debate are the fringe online supporters derailing? (Certainly not a debate in our national newspaper.)

* Day 50: Spencer was at least in the headline, and the story was reported as a news story with direct quotes from a radio interview with the man himself.
* Day 51: (Jan 12th) Despite the lack of space for legal considerations, or words from supporters, there was room to print a commentary with vague allegations against unnamed people who might be distorting the debate. “SUPPORTERS of hunger-striking farmer Peter Spencer risk derailing debate on vital issues of property rights with their fringe views, a leading agri-politics expert has warned.“ Would these be the same property rights that The Australian doesn’t consider worthy enough to independently research, or to interview other alleged victims of? Which debate are the fringe online supporters derailing? (Certainly not a debate in our national newspaper.)

UPDATE – Legal Commentary: Simon on AustralianClimateMadness is a lawyer and engineer and he’s done what The Australian should have–looked closely at the legal history and cases. For those interested in more detail, an interesting legal commentary is here with more followup on the Native Vegetation Laws. It’s yet another example of why big media is losing ground to the internet. Bloggers offer for free what the mainstream media won’t even touch with millions of dollars to back them up.

UPDATE: Great news! After 52 days on the tower, Peter Spencer has agreed to come down a few hours ago. Can we talk him into running for the Senate?

For the poster "Margaret Hamilton"
Are you sure you didn't post in the blogs as "scio"?
You seem to have the same agenda and condescending attitude!

Clearly you are in the Wrong Blog here if you expect anybody to listen to your Leftist rubbish.

"Get your mother to explain to you how the CapsLock button works"


That's right IGNORE the comments and questions directed at YOU and go on the attack!

Why don't you answer the questions put to you by "Francis Williams"!

Are you a Fabian Society Member?

By the way, I agree with the other poster, you do sound silly saying the things you did.

Typical strategy we have come to expect from the converts to the Church Of Al Gore!

This is the same tactic that this penny WRONG uses.

Let me tell you - it's wearning painfully thin!

All, I can say is that nobody is listening, but......
You do give us a good Laugh!

Francis,

Your question will be answered if you read all about :

The Brigalow Corp...

Its a "real eye opener" and just what the Labor party has in store for other States as well.

Democracy is under threat in this country.

More twaddle from Tony Abbott - he got what he needed from Spencer , now to look for more voters to exploit


http://sj.farmonline.com.au/news/nationalrural/agribusiness-and-general/political/abbott-in-a-muddle-about-middle-australia/1727445.aspx?storypage=0


Abbott in a muddle about middle Australia
JACOB SAULWICK
18 Jan, 2010 08:24 AM
ON FRIDAY Tony Abbott was asked on Melbourne radio about Peter Spencer, the farmer who was up the pole. Spencer was up the pole, not eating, because of government restrictions on felling trees at his property at Shannons Flat, near Cooma.

Abbott has yet to detail his climate change policy, but has indicated that it will involve land management - more trees. Would Abbott's policy not lead to more Peter Spencers?

''Certainly that is the issue that he was up the pole about, but I don't think you do have to lock up the land in that way,'' Abbott replied.

''The problem with what happened to Peter Spencer was that he was subject to penalties and to prohibitions. I think the best way to proceed here is with incentives and encouragement … there's a world of difference between farmers choosing to do something with otherwise unproductive land and having otherwise productive land locked away with green tape.''

What's Abbott saying here? For a start, Abbott's language immediately jumps to the side of Peter Spencer as the victim. There is no discussion about the rights or wrongs of his case, or whether governments need to assert themselves onto private land to manage for the broader good.

No, Spencer is ''subject'' to ''penalties'' and ''prohibitions''. These things ''happened'' to him. Therefore, the listener must ask, who is making it happen? Who is setting penalties and prohibitions and locking up land? And the answer, of course, is the government, and that is where the fault must lie. Spencer is fine.

During the rise of Pauline Hanson in 1996, Abbott considered the question of whether the public could be mistaken in its beliefs. His answer was: not really. ''When 40,000 people call a radio talkback host such as Alan Jones on Sydney's 2UE to support Pauline Hanson, Australia has a problem,'' Abbott wrote in The Australian. ''The fault, however, lies not with our citizens but with a generation of leaders who have failed to create popular support for the policies they believe in.''

Australian people were not especially intolerant, they just ''resented constantly being told there's something wrong with them and their country''.

Abbott, therefore, spokesman for John Howard and now Leader of the Opposition, tells us that if you are a certain type of person, he will not be informing you that you are in the wrong. You could be up a pole, starving yourself, on an argument of dubious merit. You could be convinced that rising carbon dioxide emissions are good for the environment. But if you broadly identify as ''Middle Australia'', you'll mostly hear what you want to hear.

A corollary in much of what Abbott says is that if you are that certain type of person, you will not be imposed upon. You will not be hit with taxes or restrictions on living the life that you want. No, if the government does intrude into your life, it will be to entice you with incentives and encouragement.

This argument sets the Coalition up to harangue any suggestions for tax reform that come out of the Henry review in the coming months. It also begs the question of how it will pay for its incentives and encouragements.

And the third, and related, idea is that if this pitch to middle Australia throws up internal contradictions, then let's not spend time worrying about them.

Taking Abbott's sympathy for Spencer to its logical conclusion, for instance, would presumably be that something is awry with current land-clearing laws. If you changed those laws, then more farmers like Spencer would be able to clear more land. But don't you want to plant more trees to soak up carbon dioxide? Isn't that going to be part of your climate change policy? Never mind.

Likewise Abbott, who derided the school halls component of the Government's stimulus as ''very low-grade spending'', is happy to announce his first spending commitment last week as $750 million a year for more weeding and pest control.

In 1996, Abbott argued that a ''vast gulf'' had opened up between ''government ministers, university professors, senior journalists and top bureaucrats'' on one side and millions of ordinary Australians on the other on the topic of multiculturalism. In this election year, we will no doubt hear more from ministers, professors, journalists and bureaucrats picking holes in Abbott's arguments. But they're not the people he is trying to talk to.

For the poster "Margaret Hamilton"
Are you sure you didn't post in the blogs as "scio"?
You seem to have the same agenda and condescending attitude!

Clearly you are in the Wrong Blog here if you expect anybody to listen to your Leftist rubbish.

"Get your mother to explain to you how the CapsLock button works"


That's right IGNORE the comments and questions directed at YOU and go on the attack!

Why don't you answer the questions put to you by "Francis Williams"!

Are you a Fabian Society Member?

By the way, I agree with the other poster, you do sound silly saying the things you did.

Typical strategy we have come to expect from the converts to the Church Of Al Gore!

This is the same tactic that this penny WRONG uses.

Let me tell you - it's wearning painfully thin!

All, I can say is that nobody is listening, but......
You do give us a good Laugh!

SUBJECT: HAVE A LOOK AT ANOTHER ONE OF THESE SUBVERSIVE GROUPS OF AL GORE


Check out this INSIDIOUS group.

http://www.theclimateprojectus.org/aboutus.php

Apparently they have tentacles all over the world!
I love the section "Faith-based Training". NOT!
What the hell has FAITH got to do with SCIENCE!

Have a look at "Friends, Partners, and Sponsors of The Climate Project"
http://www.theclimateprojectus.org/getinvolved.php

Also, if you look at this newsletter of theirs it states that Cate Blanchett is a TRAINED CLIMATE PROJECT PRESENTER.
Apparently she is involved with some BRAINWASHING DOCUMENTARY for the sheeple of Australia to be screened this year!
http://www.theclimateprojectus.org/newsletter_view.php?id=7

Everybody has to fight this COMMUNISM!

PDD 51 & New Executive Order Give Obama Dictator Power

Hi all,
This seems to be tied into this GLOBAL WARMING SCARE CAMPAIGN somehow.

Not sure how much to believe, but certainly should not be dismissed out of hand!

Bears investigation!

http://www.prisonplanet.com/pdd-51-new-executive-order-give-obama-dictator-power.html

Cheers

PDD 51 & New Executive Order Give Obama Dictator Power

Hi all,
This seems to be tied into this GLOBAL WARMING SCARE CAMPAIGN somehow.

Not sure how much to believe, but certainly should not be dismissed out of hand!

Bears investigation!

http://www.prisonplanet.com/pdd-51-new-executive-order-give-obama-dictator-power.html

Cheers

SUBJECT: U.N.'s World Health Organization Eyeing Global Tax on Banking, Internet Activity

The World Health Organization (WHO) is considering a plan to ask governments to impose a global consumer tax on such things as Internet activity or everyday financial transactions like paying bills online.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,583127,00.html

SUBJECT: U.N.'s World Health Organization Eyeing Global Tax on Banking, Internet Activity

The World Health Organization (WHO) is considering a plan to ask governments to impose a global consumer tax on such things as Internet activity or everyday financial transactions like paying bills online.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,583127,00.html

SUBJECT: No Link - Drought and Climate Change - CSIRO

Good Afternoon,
It seems as though finally the CSIRO is speaking some common sense!
Have a read of these links.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/local/news/general/jury-still-out-on-climate-change-csiro/1728307.aspx?src=email#

http://www.4bc.com.au/blogs/michael-smith-blog/no-link---drought-and-climate-change--csiro/20100119-mig3.html

Cheers

As Peter Spencer says the issue is not about him its about the way governments ignore the constitution. It used to be by the people for the people now its by the people for the corporation.

SUBJECT: No Link - Drought and Climate Change - CSIRO

Good Afternoon,
It seems as though finally the CSIRO is speaking some common sense!
Have a read of these links.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/local/news/general/jury-still-out-on-climate-change-csiro/1728307.aspx?src=email#

http://www.4bc.com.au/blogs/michael-smith-blog/no-link---drought-and-climate-change--csiro/20100119-mig3.html

Cheers

I was unaware that the government was taking farmers land (excluding the north-south pipeline) and not compensating them until Peter Spencer started his hunger strike. It's disgraceful.
Let's hope he gets provided with the right advice on how to recover his health.
Good on you Peter

SUBJECT: No Link - Drought and Climate Change - CSIRO

Good Afternoon,
It seems as though finally the CSIRO is speaking some common sense!
Have a read of these links.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/local/news/general/jury-still-out-on-climate-change-csiro/1728307.aspx?src=email#

http://www.4bc.com.au/blogs/michael-smith-blog/no-link---drought-and-climate-change--csiro/20100119-mig3.html

Cheers

I happened to be on Senator Steve Fielding's blog the other day and noticed the same rantings about "drug dealers" etc.. from this "Margaret Hamilton".

Lovie, have you thought about getting some THERAPY??
Obviously you have SERIOUS ISSUES!

More hypocrisy from Dads Army!!!
These idiot Liberals have been happy for years to support managed investment schemes , run by companies such as Timbercorp & Great Southern , to pay huge monies for prime agricultural land to grow uneconomic crops all in the name of tax dodging.
These pointless schemes push up price of land and divert real farmers from growing real crops


Tony Abbott sinks forests on farms

* Christian Kerr
* From: The Australian
* January 20, 2010 12:00AM

TONY Abbott will rule out the use of prime agricultural land for carbon sinks when he announces a new policy on climate change in a move aimed at avoiding a damaging split with the Nationals.

The new Coalition policy, expected to be released ahead of next month's parliamentary showdown with Kevin Rudd on the emissions trading scheme, is expected to hold back on declaring an emissions-reduction target before the Prime Minister names his final position. The policy will also include incentives to boost soil carbon levels and revegetate land.

"We're about improving farm productivity, strong support for soil carbon, revegetation - and we're not going to provide incentives for foresting over prime agricultural land," opposition climate change spokesman Greg Hunt told The Australian yesterday.

Tree planting on prime agricultural land has been a long-running source of strife between the Coalition partners with the Nationals implacably opposed to encouraging the practice because of its effect on the cost of farmland and its potential effects on agricultural production.


Nationals senators crossed the floor in 2008 to vote against legislation giving tax breaks to private forestry carbon sinks. Deputy Senate leader Fiona Nash was forced to resign from the front bench in the wake of the move.

Sporadic strife continued through last year after then Liberal leader Malcolm Turnbull endorsed a CSIRO report calling for the planting of more than nine million hectares of trees to tackle climate change.

But as it enters an election year, the opposition is keen to present a united front after the damaging divisions that culminated in last month's change of leadership.

The government is certain to attack the policy, saying it will not do enough to cut emissions.

The issue will come to a head when parliament resumes next month with the government reintroducing the emissions trading scheme legislation in a new bill incorporating amendments agreed with Mr Turnbull before he was deposed as Liberal leader.

Nationals Senate leader Barnaby Joyce said his party would not back away from its opposition to creating carbon forest sinks through tree planting on prime agricultural land.

"People are very touchy about removing prime agricultural land, whether for mining or carbon sink forests or anything else as you can't replace it," Senator Joyce said.

"Carbon sink forests aren't just an issue for people in the country. They're an issue for people in Sydney. If you want to start planting trees everywhere they grow fruit, and everywhere they grow vegetables, and where you get the predominant inflow of affordable food into your life, well, you know what's going to happen to your cost of living."

Senator Joyce said farmers supported carbon sequestration.

"We've been doing it for years; it's called no-till farming," he said.

"If people want to recognise it and encourage it and put a financial return on the carbon you sequestrate, you'll get farmers going out of their way to sequestrate more carbon and you won't have to change any law - they'll just do it for you."

Senator Joyce insisted that growing forests to absorb carbon was not an effective way to cut emissions.

Mr Hunt said the Coalition parties were in "perfect harmony".

"We are going to make sure prime agricultural land is properly protected and not converted to reforested land," Mr Hunt said.

Tony Abbott wrote to the Prime Minister just before Christmas pledging bipartisan support for emissions reduction targets.

Mr Hunt insisted the Coalition would still be able to honour this commitment with its new policy.

Mr Hunt said the Coalition wanted an incentives-based regime.

"The one boundary put there is that we're not going to support or provide incentives for afforesting over prime agricultural land," he said.

SUBJECT: It has a gigantic supercomputer, 1,500 staff and a £170m-a-year budget. So why does the Met Office get it so wrong?

Its supercomputer makes 1,000 billion calculations a second - then tells us to expect a mild winter. But what would you expect from a 'scientific' organisation that for 20 years has been dominated by climate change zealots, and whose current chairman is the former boss of the World Wildlife Fund?

read more here:-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1240082/It-gigantic-supercomputer-1-500-staff-170m-year-budget-So-does-Met-Office-wrong.html#ixzz0d5j1yOWW

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1240082/It-gigantic-supercomputer-1-500-staff-170m-year-budget-So-does-Met-Office-wrong.html

John Fawkner
Wednesday, January 20, 2010 5:58 AM
"I happened to be on Senator Steve Fielding's blog the other day and noticed the same rantings about "drug dealers" etc.. from this "Margaret Hamilton"."


LIAR!!! I said nothing about "drug dealers", as you well know.

Do a little research on our hypocritical journalists who lecture us on morality & how society must be , according to them - its not hard to find out who are the :
- cocaine abusers
- sodomites
- serial molestors , sacked from many jobs

Why do you make such lies & excuses for them ? What is your agenda?

Warmists buried under Britain’s snow

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/warmists_buried_under_britains_snow/

Scientists abandon global warming 'lie'

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83323

To my critics posting here:

I have an IQ in the top 2% of the population, with the highest scores in language. I have 2 writers' awards sitting on my shelf in the living room. English is my first language, but I was once the runner-up for a German Prize.

Even with the Copenhagen Treaty unsigned, we are still moving towards Global Corporate Communism, as we have been for at least 30 years.

I just heard that there's going to be another Global Meeting on Climate Change in Mexico in June 2010.

Scientists abandon global warming 'lie'

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83323

Dear oh dear this margaret hamilton person has some serious issues.
I feel sorry for her!
Get a grip girl
I notice she NEVER answered the question if he was a member of the Fabian society. Interesting.

Well said Barnaby Joyce!!!

Monckton’s statements that climate change is a global communist conspiracy to establish a world government are totally idiotic – to be believed only by the gullible, the deranged & the very very stupid

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/blogs/greenlines/lord-monckton-is-on-the-fringe-barnaby-joyce/20100120-mlfq.html

Joyce, who famously said that climate change sceptics were being treated like holocaust deniers and likened environmental campaigners to eco-Nazis, believes Monckton is on the fringe of the debate and unhelpful to those who question human induced climate change.

‘‘Obviously I and my constituency have some doubts (about the science) but when you find yourself waltzing with the fringe you should take a step back,’’ Joyce said.
‘‘Lot’s of people from the fringe often take up causes and it can do more harm than good.’’

Hi all,
Here is another useful site, with valuable information to fight these fanatics who are promoting this global warming HOAX.

http://www.friendsofscience.org/index.php?ide=4

Cheers

Even strong climate change sceptics think "Lord" Moncton is a nutcase :

http://www.spectator.co.uk/rodliddle/5619853/swivel-eyed-maniacs.thtml?source=cmailer

Swivel-eyed maniacs
Rod Liddle
Wednesday, 9th December 2009
Be careful what you wish for, it might just come true. For a long time now, those of you sceptical about man-made climate change have urged the BBC News to be more balanced in its coverage; that the corporation is prone to ignore sceptical voices and merely run and endless procession of Roger Harrabin and polar bears. But, in covering the beginning of the Copenhagen summit, the BBC got its act in order – and included a clip in its news report from Christopher Monckton, 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley, no less. Ooh-er. Chris thinks the United States is signing itself to a communistic world government and a transfer of power from the west to the third world. You can see him swiveling his eyes about here.
One way or another there has to be apocalypse, doesn’t there?

So - there is climate change , buts its all caused by solar flares - and the well funded denier industry think they are scientists:

http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/global-warming-dont-blame-the-car-20100121-mmry.html

500 Peer-Reviewed Papers Supporting Skepticism of "Man-Made" Global Warming

http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html

SUBJECT: Senators Sue Boyce & Judith Troeth

The Greens have indicated that they may do a deal with the Labor Party on the ETS. If they vote with the Government in the Senate, Labor needs another two votes to pass the legislation.

There is a rumour about that Senator Boyce (Liberal QLD) intends to support the Rudd Government's ETS legislation when it is re-submitted to the Senate.

I have emailed her to ask her to advise me of her position. I also said: "If it is your intention to vote with the Government, I will send you some
information to consider and then make an appointment to speak with you,
face to face."

If you are a Queenslander (or even if you're not?), you may consider contacting the Senator to express your opinion.

Keep the pressure up .... politicians only respond when they think the may lose a few votes. Boyce's email address: senator.sue.boyce@aph.gov.au

There is a Victorian Senator, Judith Troeth, who is also wavering ... her email address: senator.troeth@aph.gov.au

Apparently, even if the Senate doesnt pass the ETS legislation next month we are committed by Rudd to a staggering amount of money, via Copenhagen-
Much much more than he told anyone in Australia.

here is a podcast of Alan Jones interviewing Tim Wilson,
http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_podcasting&task=playaudio&id=2&f=5&Itemid=41

about halfway through the interview the facts emerging are quite frightening.
See what you think, folks.

SUBJECT: Why the BBC will always be wrong on Climate Change


This equally applies to the ABC in Australia.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100023145/why-the-bbc-will-always-be-wrong-on-climate-change/

Harshest winter in decades -

800,000 animals lost in Mongolia

http://www.iceagenow.com/800000_animals_lost_in_Mongolia.htm

Yesterday I put a link to the podcast from Alan Jones website entitled Implications of the Copenhagen Meeting, but as it has changed -i would like to put a link to the website,
The podcast is the second last on the list now.

http://www.2gb.com/index.php?option=com_podcasting&task=view&id=2&Itemid=41

well worth a listen,

Peter Spencer did receive a lot of
publicity throughout Australia.
The Aussie public now know his
plight. Best of Luck Peter!
We are with you.

Harshest winter in decades -

800,000 animals lost in Mongolia

http://www.iceagenow.com/800000_animals_lost_in_Mongolia.htm

Why the BBC will always be wrong on Climate Change

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100023145/why-the-bbc-will-always-be-wrong-on-climate-change/

Glad Peter Spencer is now out of the tree and
will be able to fight on again, on land.
He received national media coverage and that
is exactly what he wanted to let the Australian
public know what is happening in Canberra.
We all have a big year ahead of us with Rudd
pushing once again the ETS agenda, for his
special interest groups that will try to keep
him in Power, to implement more International
Treaties, under the banner of "International
Socialism". We are ready for the fight!!

Why the BBC will always be wrong on Climate Change

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100023145/why-the-bbc-will-always-be-wrong-on-climate-change/

Oh, it seems like our old friend, the professional AGITATOR,"scio", has joind our blog again.

What subsersive oganization do you actually represent?

Clearly you represent some body other than yourself, given your history of posting on various blogs that Senator Joyce has set up.

What is under no doubt is that you are ANTI AUSTRALIAN!

THE NEW YORK TIMES: DESPERATE, BLATENT LIES ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING

http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-york-times-desperate-blatant-lies.html

THE NEW YORK TIMES: DESPERATE, BLATENT LIES ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING

http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-york-times-desperate-blatant-lies.html

THE NEW YORK TIMES: DESPERATE, BLATENT LIES ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING

http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-york-times-desperate-blatant-lies.html

Ministry of Justice lists eco-activists alongside terrorists

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jan/26/ministry-justice-environmental-campaigners-terrorism


Government officials have labelled environmental campaigners extremists and listed them alongside dissident Irish republican groups and terrorists inspired by al-Qaida in internal documents seen by the Guardian.

The guidance on extremism, produced by the Ministry of Justice, says: "The United Kingdom like many other countries faces a continuing threat from extremists who believe they can advance their aims by committing acts of terrorism."

It was sent to probation staff who were writing court reports or supervising a range of activists, including environmental protesters.

The advice lists "environmental extremists" alongside far-right activists, dissident Irish republicans, loyalist paramilitaries and al-Qaida-inspired extremists as among groups "currently categorised as extremist [that] may include those who have committed serious crime in pursuit of an ideology or cause".

David Howarth, the Liberal Democrats' justice spokesman, said tonight that the documents revealed "a quite astonishing conflation of legitimate protest with terrorism".

The government has been criticised for tarring environmental protesters as "domestic extremists", a term invented by the police, who say it can cover activists suspected of minor public order offences such as peaceful direct action and civil disobedience. The internal guidance from the Ministry of Justice's National Offender Management Service defines domestic extremism as any "unlawful action that is part of a protest or campaign".

"It is often associated with a 'single issue' protest such as animal rights, far-right and far-left political extremism, anti- war and environmentalist extremism. The activity of Domestic Extremist Offenders is more criminal in its nature than that of an activist – but falls short of terrorism."

"Environmental extremists" are described as committing "criminal activity motivated by the broad philosophy and social movement centred on a concern for conservation and improvement of the natural environment".

Environmentalists reject the extremist label, saying that their protests are peaceful and non-violent.

Harry Fletcher, assistant general secretary of the probation service union, Napo, said its members were unhappy with government attempts to lump environmental campaigners with terrorist suspects.

He said the guidance appeared to be part of a wider attempt by some government officials to interfere for political reasons in the work of criminal justice staff.

Ben Stewart, of Greenpeace, said: "The climate movement has never once sought to further its political aims by using violence, which is something that Jack Straw, foreign secretary during the invasion of Iraq, can most certainly not claim.

"His Ministry of Justice would be better occupied reminding itself that peaceful direct action has a long and noble history in this country."

A ministry spokesman said: "It is not true to say that offenders who have committed criminal offences in connection with an extremist cause are 'all treated the same'. The National Offender Management Service has a programme of work that covers all forms of extremism."

SUBJECT: Climate agency going up in flames

http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/story.html?id=90f8dd19-4a79-4f8f-ab42-b9655edc289b#ixzz0dpiB0tX3

This is exactly why we need a comprehensive approach to climate change. Globally, land clearing accounts for 20% of co2 contribution to our atmosphere. Not only farming families but all owners of large tracts of forested land need to be compensated for their contribution to our national responsibilities in reducing co2 in our atmosphere. The Howard Government achieved their co2 commitments by supporting the Native Vegetation Act which amounts to stealing landowners carbon credits. To be realistic the only way to achieve a fair outcome is either through a carbon tax or a market based ETS that rewards and encourages landowners to be environmentally responsible, by either retaining native vegetation or investing in scientifically backed sustainable farming practices. Instead of subsidising carbon based industries i.e. coal powered generators, lets invest in our farmers and freehold landowners who are presently bearing the brunt of our collective responsibilities.

Surely Jannie's vituperative comments are libellous? Interesting to see that her debating technique is to resort to personalities, rather than debate the real topic - the one that Peter Spencer so courageously brought to public attention.

Congratulations to the Senator for espousing this cause.

I suppose that now I am to be considered "mentally disturbed..." etc by this person. Good. I am in good company.

Marjorie N Wisby

I am a young farmer in range country where trees are continually regrowing and need management or they choke out the grass which we depend on to grow our cattle and also encourage the spread of weeds like lantana. We always tried to manage our land in a sustainable way never clear felling, but that now seems like the wrong path to have taken, we are being penalised for being enviromently consciencse before the goverment waded into the issue. I am forth generation farmer and it looks like the last generation in my area, I can fight droughts, fires,floods but not governments laws. I can't even sell out for what the land was worth to give my parents a decent retirement, for who will buy land they can do nothing with, it feels like a deep dark cloud of despair has descended on us and I don't know what to do .
Good on you Barnaby you seem like the only one to stick up for us.

SUBJECT: Climate agency going up in flames

http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/story.html?id=90f8dd19-4a79-4f8f-ab42-b9655edc289b#ixzz0dpiB0tX3

SUBJECT: Climate agency going up in flames

http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/story.html?id=90f8dd19-4a79-4f8f-ab42-b9655edc289b#ixzz0dpiB0tX3

No wonder Tony Abbott & Barnaby Joyce are steering clear of Monckton


Monckton & DDT …. Science?

Monckton claims DDT is toxic only to the mozzies that carry malaria, dengue, yellow fever. He claims it reduced malaria worldwide to around 50000 deaths and is totally safe to humans – you can eat tablespoons with no ill effects.

The fact – DDT is toxic to almost all insects plus fish & mammals. In humans the LDLO is AT MOST 500mg/kg (ie a dose of around 35g is considered fatal) and is carcinogenic, teratogenic, mutagenic – a problem because it bioaccumulates in fat & very slowly removed. When DDT stopped being used freely , they has still been continuation of reduction in malaria deaths .

The biggest drawback to using DDT is that the main target species , the Anopheles mosquito , easily evolved resistance to DDT.

It is hard to find any truth in Moncktons inane comments on DDT – he spreads pseudoscience & pseudohistory & wraps it all up with paranoid conspiracy theories.

Monckton claims Jackie Kennedy read Silent Spring & got JFK to ban it worldwide; that Kennedy got an incompetent corrupt friend to head EPA to ban DDT worldwide, as part of a left wing global conspiracy, so he could get bribes from producers of other insecticides.

The fact – the EPA was formed under Nixon (is Nixon another communist?) , 7 years after Kennedys death, under the conservative & very effective Republican William Ruckelshaus – DDT was banned in US 20 years after Kennedys death. DTT was never banned worldwide – it is still made in India & China & used there & elsewhere…

Brittany Wilson
Tuesday, January 26, 2010 6:03 AM
"Oh, it seems like our old friend, the professional AGITATOR,"scio", has joind our blog again.

What subsersive oganization do you actually represent?"


Yes...... because I am literate & can actually read scientific journals (rather than regurgitate the inane drivel of Monckton, Jones, Bolt & their ilk) , I must therefore be part of the global communist conspiracy to bring about a world government
Perhaps I am even a Masonic reptilian - one of your colleague called me a Zionist which makes as much sense as anything else you write

Abbott proposes huge new tax to address climate change????


But Abbott told us that climate science is "crap", Nick Minchin told us it is a global communist conspiracy, Abetz told us it is Nazi science and Monckton told us the atmosphere is too low in CO2 & it must be increased.

Cant the denier industry try to gets its myths consistent?

Has Tony Abbott now become a communist or is he still just a hypocrite?

Does Barnaby Joyce now believe in climate change or does he think Abbott is telling lies?

scio shouldn't it be ILLITERATE?
Must have been a slip of the keyboard eh?

Meanwhile read the news:-

http://joannenova.com.au/2010/01/the-four-gates-of-the-ipcc/

The Hottest Hoax in the World

It was presented as fact. The UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, led by India’s very own RK Pachauri, even announced a consensus on it. The world was heating up and humans were to blame. A pack of lies, it turns out.

READ MORE:-

http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/international/the-hottest-hoax-in-the-world

Mr. Joyce,

How much homework did you do?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/12/2817875.htm

I am a retired farmer and I can tell you, if the Gov't (State/Fed) had wanted to interfere with my quiet enjoyment of my freehold, I would have screamed 'blue murder'!

This case - which you championed, might require further explanation from you, if you don't mind!.

Dear Mr Joyce,

Many National Party members I met when I was attending National Party conventions and meetings in NSW are keen conservationists and must be horrified at your oafish attitude to the preservation of wldlife habitat.

You appear to speak for the extreme right of the National Party and of the most unenlightened and stupid of the farmers. You obviously couldn't care less about the protection of native species and see everything as a resource to be turned into money. Shame on you. Ignorant, and proud of it.

Kathy Stavrou

DEAR BARNABY, LOOKING 4 REAL-ESTATE IN S.E.QLD VIA WWW.REALESTATE.COM.AU, IS VERY DISTURBING............I.E. WHEN YOU GO TO SATELITE-MAPS AND DO A FLY-OVER, ONE SEES THE SHOCKING DE-FORESTATION OF SOOOOO MANY ??? QUARRY-SITES IN MY CORNER OF THE WORLD.!!!!!!!!!MASSIVE CUTS AROUND SOUTH AND SOUTH-WEST OF AUSTRALIA ZOO IN SUNSHINE-COAST, THEN FOLLOW FLY-OVER SOUTHWARD...........Regards, Jeanie.